[Compcomm] The Next Step

Tue Apr 17 07:20:56 EDT 2007

Will Farrington wrote:
> Actually, I was perfectly content with Jeffrey's plans concerning site
> migration. They were a good idea that not only managed to compromise but
> still leave us with a usable solution.
>   

It would leave us with some sort of half distro that nobody could
support.  The whole composited community being a package of
every app someone thinks is cool lumped together with no support
at all is a dead end idea.

> Without getting off on my own tangential argument, I'll just state that
> a new forum using vBulletin is warranted at the current time (and surely
> even necessary in the near future). Of course, I still think it should
> be under the Compiz domain (given the whole scope of the merge), but I'm
> more than willing to concede to allowing it to be under a neutral domain
> name. (Personally, I'm fond of http://www.compizforums.org/ , similar to
> how Ubuntu Forums are in relation to the actual Ubuntu site.)
>   

Are you suggesting we change the forum to vBulletin and
then change the domain from http://forum.compiz.org/ to
http://www.compizforums.org/ ?

What exactly is the reason for the domain name change?
I can understand migrating to vBulletin, but that has nothing
to do with 'merging communities' or 'creating composited desktop
experiences'.

What you are suggesting is nothing like Jeffs plan, that seems
to be creating a new definition of something and a new name,
forums etc etc.

I really do not see the point or what we are hoping to achieve.
Maybe its just a case (again) of just telling people what they
want to hear for 6 months and hope they forget what you
promised eventually.  If they remember, we can just change
the name or direction again until the damn well forget.

> On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 10:33 +0100, Mike Dransfield wrote:
>   
>> How is this for an alternate solution.
>>
>> The wiki, forum and compiz website stay as they are.  Beryl
>> forum must remain for another 6 months at least to support
>> that (I understand you are still under a promise to Ubuntu.
>>
>> git.compiz.org will be for compiz plugins.  Anyone who has
>> knowledge of gitweb is more than welcome to help.
>>
>> All community related stuff (blogs etc) are hosted at beryl,
>> those servers can be used for community stuff and promotional
>> things.  The bugs in the beryl bug tracker should be re-verified
>> with compiz and it can be used as a community bug tracker.
>> People must pay a lot of attention to this and close or fix bugs
>> where necessary.
>>
>> We need a good release team and I am sure that many people
>> would like to help promoting compiz.  They didnt seem
>> to have a problem when it was called beryl.  So I dont see
>> why those people cannot keep doing the same things.
>>
>> I really do not understand the constant need to keep creating
>> forums, yes I know its easy to set up a php forum, thats the
>> point.
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey Laramie wrote:
>>     
>>> I've started putting some of our discussions on the previous threads together 
>>> into an outline. Despite some of our less productive posts, we've actually 
>>> had many good ideas and suggestions. I had hoped to include everything at 
>>> once, but there is just too much to organize in one evening (I didn't get to 
>>> work on RYX's idea for teams yet). I'm in-lining the material here, but If 
>>> you go to http://rock3d.org/index.php?section=8 you can see it formatted a 
>>> little nicer:
>>>
>>> Community Description 
>>>
>>> I've taken the description of the Compiz-Extra division and added a little 
>>> detail. I'm reluctant to add too many specifics unless we have individuals 
>>> who step up and say "I'm going to be responsible for that" and those 
>>> individuals can back up their promises with actual code.
>>>
>>>     * The Composite Community division (to be re-named) will include plugins 
>>> and other programs that provide functionality which is not essential to the 
>>> operation of Compiz-Core.
>>>     * Composite Community will have a broad focus on plugins, decorators, 
>>> libraries, and other programs and will include stable, developmental, and 
>>> experimental code.
>>>     * We will create various packages for our code. The primary packages will 
>>> be based on the maturity and quality of the code, with only the highest 
>>> quality code being included in official releases. We will create additional 
>>> meta-packages that combine the various programs into packages that target a 
>>> specific user segment (e.g. distro-specific, DE-specific, 
>>> program-type-specific).
>>>     * We will include functionality and code that can be used universally, 
>>> used with a specific DE, or can be run on compiz without a DE.
>>>     * Composite Community will focus on the developers creating and 
>>> maintaining the Composite Community programs and on end users. We will use 
>>> the full range of applications available to us in order to provide support to 
>>> our developers and users. These tools may include a web site, wiki, forum, 
>>> content management system, weblog, bug trackers, and any other software that 
>>> supports our goals.
>>>     * The goal of the Composite Community division is to develop Compiz 
>>> related software and support the use of Compiz on all desktops. We will focus 
>>> our efforts on integrating our code into existing Desktop Environments and 
>>> Linux distributions, as well as on creating code that can be used independent 
>>> of existing environments and distributions.
>>>
>>> Migration Path
>>>
>>> Currently we have two independent communities hosted primarily on two 
>>> different servers. The repositories of the Compiz/Compiz-Extra community are 
>>> scattered amongst a number of private sites. We need to merge the two sites 
>>> in a way that takes advantage of all the resources available to us.
>>>
>>>    1. The Compiz site and wiki remain hosted on the Dreamhost server. This 
>>> site primarily provides information to users about Compiz and supports the 
>>> Compiz-Core developers. The current link to the Compiz forum can be replaced 
>>> with a link to the new combined forum.
>>>    2. The Compiz and Beryl forums are merged into a new vBulletin forum hosted 
>>> on the Sophia Antipolis server. The forum link from both the Compiz and Beryl 
>>> sites will point to the combined forum. The main website (cms/wiki?) and the 
>>> forum are the two most demanding web services we offer and they should be on 
>>> separate servers. The repos may use lots of bandwidth, but they put 
>>> relatively little demand on a server and downloads can easily be spread out 
>>> over multiple mirrors.
>>>    3. The new community website will be hosted on the Dreamhost server. This 
>>> server has a tremendous amount of bandwidth and storage available currently, 
>>> and JP has indicated that Novell is interested in providing more resources if 
>>> we need them. It is currently a shared server, but if we can make a case for 
>>> a dedicated server than that may be an option as well.
>>>    4. Once we have the combined forum functional, we can have a discussion and 
>>> vote (if needed) about a name for our community. Once we have a combined 
>>> community, the naming discussion should be relatively painless. We just need 
>>> to make sure we don't end up with an endless discussion and voting process.
>>>    5. Weblogs / bug trackers / other services - We can use the JustinRK server 
>>> or any of the other servers available to us. I don't think there is a 
>>> difference unless someone else knows of a reason to select one over an other.
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