[Compcomm] The Next Step

Tue Apr 17 15:45:11 EDT 2007

So do I :) Let's try to throw some water as soon as possible :)
David is taking care of compiz, which isn't what we are talking about
there since he has clearly stated it was in his scope. Quinn is an
historic leader and isn't (sorry Quinn, and no offence) really good at
politics. We have made good progress from the beginning of this thread
and I think we're reaching the end of it. New forums should probably
be up in a while, just as the repos & website. There we'll launch a
poll about the new name and the community will choose.

Regards,
Guillaume

2007/4/17, Erkin Bahceci <erkinbah at gmail.com>:
> I foresee new flame-wars flaring up.
>
> On 4/17/07, Arthur Reijnen <cloudbolt at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Nesl has a point, feeling left out because everyone's talking about compiz.
> > and I know neither side is willing to give up their name,
> > but I also think we should just let David and Quinn decide on a new name.
> > After all, this is their software,(and yes, I know more people have worked
> > on the respective projects, but everyone will probably agree compiz is
> > David's idea and compiz-quinnstorm, which later became beryl wasn't named
> > compiz-quinnstorm for nothing) and having too many people try to agree on a
> > new name gets the new community nowhere.
> > Let David and Quinn do politics, and afterwards use one or more existing
> > servers to host the community forums, carrying the new name. Of course I
> > know this doesn't sound very democratic, but A) this isn't a country which
> > has to be run B) compiz is David's idea, Beryl is Quinn's (and please don't
> > go on bickering about Beryl isn't Quinn's idea because it's just a fork or
> > something), so they have the right and creativity enough to come up with a
> > new name.
> > I really believe a new name gives more unity to the community, so afterwards
> > the coding issues should be attended.
> >
> > Arthur(A proud Beryl ánd Compiz user).
> >
> >
> > On 17/04/07, nesl247 <nesl247 at beryl-project.org> wrote:
> > > Hmm. Why do I get the feeling that people who were working on beryl
> > > are getting the crap end of things here.. Everytime someone mentions
> > > the teams, people are left out of it.
> > >
> > > I belonged to the Beryl Web and Release team. Being as I maintained
> > > beryl for gentoo, and found a lot of the build issues because I was
> > > one who doesn't have the same system as everyone else. Also, Saguratus
> > > and I tended to manage the forums (administration tasks, he did more
> > > moderating, I just stopped moderating because of time issues).
> > >
> > > And please, stop calling the merged community compiz. It's not compiz..
> > > Compiz is the damn core, and nothing more. It's not "This week in
> > > compiz" or compizforums.org or whatever.
> > >
> > > And iXce bought a domain something like opencompositing.org or
> > > something. I think we should just name the project the Open
> > > Compositing Window Manager. That's generic, fits the ideals, and we
> > > already have the domain then. As far as a shared git repo, it can be
> > > accessed at gitweb.opencompositing.org (whatever the domain is, as I
> > > said, forgot what it was exactly).
> > >
> > > On 4/17/07, Jon Barnett <jonb at ieee..org> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm not anyone of importance, just a user but I think it would be a
> > > > "nice" thing for us users if the link to proposals and the plan forward
> > > > (I assume this will be whiteboarded at Rock3D.org?) were linked to at
> > > > our local hang-outs ( beryl-project.org and compiz.org) until things get
> > > > cut over. Just a suggestion as other than joining this group, we haven't
> > > > had any feedback as to what is happening.
> > > >
> > > > It would also be nice to have some estimates on when things will happen
> > > > - and maybe this might be a bit of a wish this early, when things are
> > > > estimated to be completed. I'm not talking about hard deadlines, but
> > > > just enough rough information to give users an idea of what will be
> > > > happening and time-frames. And it doesn't necessarily have to be at the
> > > > low-level implementation - just some medium level implementation goals
> > > > for the sites and the working groups (I can see some of this is
> > > > coalescing now). I think some users are scared (about losing features),
> > > > some users are uncertain as to when development will get rolling again
> > > > (or whether their bugs will get resolved), some will be wondering
> > > > whether they should still be using the current forums or hanging off,
> > > > and some, if they're like me, are just milling about bleating - :). A
> > > > little re-assurance about moving forward would be wonderful.
> > > >
> > > > You can always revise goals and time-frames as things become better
> > > > defined (so the whiteboard "action plan" is just the current, working
> > > > plan at any point in time). Users just want to know what is happening
> > > > with their product and community - and don't necessarily care about the
> > > > technical level discussions :). The "This week in Compiz" idea would be
> > > > good now. :)
> > > >
> > > > I hope my comments aren't out of line in any way.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > JonB.
> > > >
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