[Compcomm] A possible forum merge proposal
Sam Spilsbury
smspillaz at gmail.com
Fri Apr 27 04:58:44 EDT 2007
Um. I know this sorta breaks your agreement about not arguing whether Beryl
has become trash, but since that statement offended me so much, I just have
to reply.
Ok, Just to clarify what I was saying before is that since_the_merge this
whole thing has gone down the drain. Before the merge, EVERYTHING was
perfect in the Beryl world ( I know thats an overstatement but I am a beryl
fan)
Now, we at Beryl, knew very_clearly what our directions were. We at Beryl
care about the code and the features and care about the way things work. In
beryl, everything is intergrated and clean. The SM ties in with the plugins
and the core very nicely. A_lot_of_users consider
Beryl_to_be_a_lot_better_and_more_easier than compiz was. In my honest
opinion, I have had FAR FAR FAR less troubles with Beryl than I've had with
compiz. Getting compiz to work was a nightmare for me. Getting Beryl to work
was a snap.
With compiz you have a bunch of plugins, settings managers - many of which
have been abondoned or discontinued, and NO
centralised_repo_for_all_of_the_stuff. Moving from Beryl to Compiz was a
nightmare for me. Using gconf is a nightmare. I have problems with it
_every_day.
So please dont think of Beryl as trash coming to crappyfy compiz. Every user
out there execpt you and all the other few compiz supporters will say that
Beryl_is_better.
Compiz was bad enough when I was forced to move there. Sure, they have the
leadership but the actual code doesnt_work.
/rant
PS. Please dont think that I intended to say that compiz is trash. Its not.
It has just been so buggy and disorganised lately....
On 4/27/07, Mike Dransfield <mike at blueroot.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Stephen Moore wrote:
> > yes, why has it become unorganised ??
> >
> > is there anyone in charge anymore ??
> >
> > (if there ever was anyone in charge)
>
> This is the whole problem here and why I want nothing to do with it.
>
> Beryl had no leadership or direction and they turned a good thing to
> trash within a few months. I do not want that to happen again.
>
> If you want to debate whether beryl has become trash, dont bother.
>
>
> >
> > On 4/27/07, *Sam Spilsbury* < smspillaz at gmail.com
> > <mailto:smspillaz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Um, the feature isnt going to be lost. Cube transparency will just
> > become a plugin in the meantime
> >
> > I really think that the whole project has fallen in a hole. I
> > remeber the good old days where everything worked and everyhthing
> > was in one place and Beryl kept on gettting better and better.
> >
> > Now everything has become one disorganised mess with plugins being
> > thrown everywhere, people deleting forums and litteraly trying to
> > fight for supremacy in the "merge" or "re-union."
> >
> > Yes, I_know work is_being_done but its so disorganised at the
> > momement, Nobody knows what each other is working on.
> >
> > If anyone here can remember the "Developer sign-up page" can they
> > post the link on the main website of compiz and
> > opencompositing.org <http://opencompositing.org>? The developers
> > should post there what they are working on.
> >
> >
> > On 4/27/07, *Mike Dransfield* < mike at blueroot.co.uk
> > <mailto:mike at blueroot.co.uk>> wrote:
> >
> > Guillaume Seguin wrote:
> > > 2007/4/26, Stephen Moore <delfick755 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:delfick755 at gmail.com>>:
> > >
> > >> i can't remember where i said it, but it doesn't matter
> > (probably in this
> > >> thread somewhere close by, sorry if i repeat myself so soon
> > after posting
> > >> this....)
> > >>
> > >> get a team of people to work on a phpbb3 forum
> > >> and another team to work on a vb forum at the same time
> > >>
> > >> after a while, (few weeks/month/whatever) the team with the
> > most problems
> > >> stops what they're doing and helps the other team...
> > >>
> > >> it would waste effort, yes, but in theory it would stop the
> > arguements, as
> > >> this would prove which forum is better, both in terms of
> > functionality and
> > >> in terms of what suits our needs....
> > >>
> > >> .....*sees the future, expects logic to be turned upside
> > down*........
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > I have an idea.
> > >
> > > Lets get a team of people to work on a fork of compiz, call
> > it "Beryl"
> > > And then get a team to work on Compiz
> > >
> >
> > You may be joking, but from my point of view it DOES look like
> > a branch or a fork will be necessary sooner or later. David has
> > rejected the transparent cube patches. I am not sure how much
> > change to core is needed but they looked fairly large.
> >
> > David wants to redo the drawing interface before adding anything
> > like transparent cube. I suspect it will be a few months
> > before that
> > is done, in the meantime beryl users will be screaming for the
> > lost
> > feature.
> >
> > I am really not sure what will happen here, but its beginning to
> > remind me of the xinerama patches. As other people have said,
> > this
> > is all WAY too early, hardly anything from beryl seems to be
> > 'merged'
> > yet.
> >
> >
> > > And after a.. erm nevermind ;)
> > >
> > > But this will help you imagine how hard it'd be to decide
> > which team
> > > would help the other one ;)
> > > (please note that there's absolutely no offence against
> > anyone in this
> > > post, it's just the best example to show that having two
> > teams merging
> > > to work on one thing which is even just a bit different than
> > what they
> > > were working on is definitely hard)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Guillaume
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