[Compcomm] Name poll

[RYX]

Am Montag, den 04.06.2007, 22:07 +0800 schrieb Sam Spilsbury:
> OK
> 
> I really don't think you get where me and danny are coming from here.
> Maybe its the language barrier or maybe its just a case of intolerance
> and frustration bercause this project (appears) to be going no-where
> (Which, BTW is what I write my OCCN blog for - so that people know
> whats going on and where we are 'sort-of' heading (Don't take that too
> seriously btw))
> 
> The point is, Rico, that instead of the developers making desisions
> for the project itself, we let the users decide what they think the
> project is about, as the developers see it as code. As per this
> webpage 'http://producingoss.com/en/getting-started.html#choosing-a-name,'
> It implies that you should choose a name that represents what users
> see from the project. Its like a book, the author can only imply one
> theme but people can read so many different themes from it. Hence were
> letting the users decide.
So you seriously think tat "coral" represents best what this project is
all about and "what users see from the project"? Then you are even more
living in a dream-world far from reality than I intentionally thought. 

The ideas you sum up here are exactly why I proposed to not include
those combined names into the poll. But uniqueness seems much less
important than just having some name chosen by some majority of some
users in some community ... great!

And please show me one book author who let the users decide about a
title after he has released his book. You think he calls his book "A
book" and then three months later he makes a SMS-vote to let the readers
decide about a title? Do you sometimes visit the real world?

> 
> This is the part where you come in. Let's get this straight, you have
> not offended us, as people in any way, shape or form. All you are
> making us do is wonder why you are being so 'de-constructive' and not
> wanting to join in / and/or making it hard for the users.
> 
> Lets take an example. The Beryl people come up with an idea on how to
> do something. In this case, CCS.
CCS or beryl-settings as it was called before IS crap. It is not just me
saying this - there is a reason why this thing is being rewritten over
and over again. And why the hell does it still use those silly, cryptic
names? Things like that are a sign for lack of professionality ... The
whole project lacks that - everywhere.

> 
> You and Mike (Generally) have come in to say (My interpretation) 'This
> is crap, lets use my way that I just started and I think will work.
> Who cares about the advantages or problems yours solves, lets use my
> way even though it doesnt solve some of those problems, but its still
> good.'
How about turning your thoughts by 180 degrees - what you describe is
exactly the position the beryl-guys tend to have. It's 'Our crap or
nothing ...' - all I try to do is convincing a very small group of
people that their approach could use some re-thinking. There is nothing
community-based in this - it is still beryl vs. compiz, nothing else. I
am unsure what your personal intention is, but you are obviously
defending that stupid position due to lack of information. I recommend
reading the last 500 posts on the compiz-admin list to see what I
personally wanted for the new project. Unless you didn't read my initial
comments on that subject, I propose not making further assumptions about
my motives.

> 
> Yet you fail to realize the point that we have been working on this
> solution for a while. You just come in, shoot it down and say we
> should use yours instead because you think it has some technical
> merit. Only you.
I think I am the only sane person who didn't leave this ML due to the
pointlessness and stupidity spread on this list. That's the only reason
why it is "only me" left here on the "no-sayers" side ... I'd call it
another sign for my love and passion for compiz and the so called "new
project". 

Even if it is driving me mad and upsets me over and over again I don't
just shut up and accept the "lesser evil" - that's why I'd say that I am
caring much more than everyone else here.

> 
> That is deconstructive ^
Being constructive or not highly depends on the personal point of
view ... I personally think _you_ were never more constructive than
saying: "I don't understand what you are talking about, but whoohooo -
yeah, let's do that" ...

> 
> Here is the way to be constructive :
> 
> The Beryl team is working on a project, you come in and have a look at
> it and have a look at yours. 
> You like the idea of yours and the
> benefits it provides but also have a look at the merit of theirs. You
> suggest new ways to contribute to the existing idea so that your ideas
> can become part of the big idea. Everybody wins.
That "big idea" is the core of all problems. Your "big idea" isn't
automatically everyone's "big idea" ... and obviously not "good" only
because it is "big".

> 
> So onto this whole name issue. We are DISSCUSSING the best way to do
> something and you come in and shoot it down saying that its crap and
> your way must be the best because its how you see it.
You don't want to wake up, I see.

> 
> Not being contructive ^
> 
> Instead of saying that our ideas are crap without any reason other
> than you think they are crap, please suggest ways in which to improve
> our thinking instead of saying 'It should be like this and thats the
> end of it'
Of course - I am the bad guy and you folks are the guys with the
"revolutionary" new ideas which I don't want to accept ...
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ... That's a good one.

As I said - farewell ... and have fun with your new project. I hope this
time it will last longer than six months.

> 
> -Sam
> 
> On 6/4/07, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com> wrote:
> > > > Signing with a pseudonym is commonly seen as impolite - why don't you
> > > > > use your real name?
> > > > Well - you know what my name is, don't you? Most people call me RYX
> > > > anyway. Did I appear like giving a shit about being polite in this mail?
> > >
> > > You said you tried to be constructive, didn't you?
> > As I said - I am tired of repeating myself. If you were really
> > interested in what I say (and not only what you think is best), then you
> > would stop picking out and complaining about out all my
> > bitching/"insulting" and instead pick up the useful arguments "hidden"
> > between the lines of bitching ...
> >
> > Unless some people here start reacting on arguments and not on
> > everything that can be somehow seen as "bitching", I'll refuse to answer
> > on the same stupid points over and over again. Exactly this behavior is
> > what I dislike around here. If I hide stupid things in nice words
> > everyone seems to love me, if I try to be clear and direct everyone
> > seems to feel insulted by the nasty truth ...
> >
> > I am sorry if I hurt all those "little girlie feelings" of you guys with
> > my bad and harsh words. I accidentally expected to talk to men, not to a
> > bunch of little girls and pussies ... Better go upstairs and tell your
> > mum that this bad guy RYX hurts your feelings over and over again.
> >
> > This kind of behavior is the best proof for me that I am only talking to
> > children and teenagers here. Compiz always was the adult project and
> > beryl was the children's plaything - why should it be different for the
> > new project, right? (*sigh*....)
> >
> > Farewell ...
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Rico
> > >
> > > I take that one as a step in the right direction ;-)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Danny
> > >
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