[Compcomm] Deciding a name

Sun Jun 10 17:38:31 EDT 2007

2007/6/10, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com>:
> Am Sonntag, den 10.06.2007, 20:26 +0200 schrieb Kristian Lyngstøl:
> > Many people are not satisfied with how we're voting on a name, we
> > should respect that.
> >
> > I therefor suggest we void the current vote, and restart the process.
> > To make it fair and democratic, this is how I suggest we do it:
> >
> > We give people 5 days to suggest names. ANY name is welcome to be
> > suggested in this period of time. There is no discussion at this
> > point. A strict deadline is kept.
> >
> > After the period is over, the suggestions are posted here, and only
> > here. You will all reply to the person in charge (I'll do it if there
> > are no objections) and any name receiving more than 2 complaints will
> > be removed. There is a 48 hours limit on when to complain. People are
> > urged to complain based on similarities and such, not personal taste,
> > but no real reason is needed.
> >
> > After the 48 hours, the revised list is posted again. And another 24
> > hour period to complain will commence.
> >
> > If the list is too large, another 24hour round of complaints will
> > commence, where complaints based on taste can be taken into account.
> >
> > After this 24 hour period is over, the finished list is posted. There
> > is no complaint process after this, but a 24 hour cool-down before a
> > poll is posted. This is a "just-in-case" period, where people may
> > comment, but ideally, it should not affect the final list. The final
> > poll is posted after this, and will go on for one week.
> >
> > This will (yet again) delay the naming process, but there are too many
> > good complaints about existing names and the way the poll is handled
> > to ignore this problem.
> >
> > The person in charge of the process should not require a good
> > complaint, that's why it is required to have more than just one. A
> > short one, like "coral - numerous other projects, see www...com" or
> > "Blitz - Radical semi-political organization in Norway and refference
> > to WWII" should be enough, even if the person in charge does not agree
> > with it being a problem.
> >
> > Input on this?
> It is a good approach but it would likely result in having no name in
> the end - it is quite easy to find something to complain about each name
> that has been proposed so far (e.g. I never heard of "coco" the
> kidnapping-monster from Spain before and I surely would have proposed
> another name if I had known earlier :D).
>
> How about this: all name-suggestions should be posted to this list, who
> isn't willing to subscribe for that reason isn't willing to contribute -
> it's that easy. The people on this list decide about which proposals
> make it into the poll (as you say, based on complaints, but the
> complaints have to be somehow serious). To prove that also some users
> see it like that I'll quote hanzomon4's post from the name poll
> discussion (page 17): "I would also suggest that the more active
> users/testers get together with the dev team and do a private vote on
> the names to be used in the "open" vote. You get democracy with a little
> tinge of a dictatorship, a benevolent one.." ... (I couldn't say this in
> a better way and that's essentially what I am always talking about - a
> good management sometimes involves "helping" things onto the right way).
>

I'm agree with this idea. Even it may sound rude/abrupt to end-users
now that there's a voting process on, but 100% agree.

> Some thoughts concerning the name I'd like to add:
>
> Most important attributes for the name should be "unique" and
> "innovative" - just like compiz and the project itself. It is highly
> important to have a unique and innovative name - and with "unique" I
> mean something really _new_, not some cool word one picked up in his
> favorite cartoon-series or while playing Wolfenstein 3d. A combination
> of the words compiz and beryl also makes no sense: compiz still exists
> (as the core) and beryl is virtually gone.
>
> Another important point to take into account is a logo - the name has to
> be chosen in a way that we can create a very cool logo and project
> identity (that's what I liked about coco - even though the word itself
> isn't really cool or unique). What type of logo do you want to create
> for a project called "coral" (a coral? yes, very creative - and emerald
> gets named "anemona" ... please, no! :D )
>
> And, even more important, the poll should NOT be announced/linked on
> ubuntuforums and/or other distro-specific forums - if people are not
> involved in (at least one of) the communities they should not influence
> the communities' decision and I see no reason to invite them to vote for
> the new project's name. I absolutely not understand why certain people
> are so keen on letting any idiot vote for a name - those who care will
> vote, those who don't care shouldn't vote anyway. As far as I remember
> 95% of all people said they don't care about what a piece of software is
> named, so please let's not force them to. The name for this project
> should be chosen with the same care and "love" as you would name your
> own child. If someone doesn't see it like that he should definetly not
> take part in the name decision/poll (no, I am not too emotionally
> involved ;) ...).
>

I think those suggestions should be the guidelines to select a project
name. They're clear and very useful.

Having theming on mind, I suggested two names which could fit on guidelines:
- Sibyl [1] : "See the future" as slogan. Also, we can use sibyl names
as milestones.
- Sunshine (I know, this one is awful, but theming this could be
fashion ;) ) "It's free, it's widely open, it's here" (slogan is even
worst XD )

They're not used; at least, I weren't able to find any app on any OS
that use those names.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibyl

OFF about Coco: No one knows evry popular monster name in the world ;)
First time I read that name I thought on a logo and... well, nvm :D

> But besides that I am fine with what you say :D ... though maybe we two
> should be in charge? That would be one from each "side" (yes, bad word -
> I mean one from compiz and one from beryl). We are sometimes (often :D)
> rude but, on the other hand, we always came to an agreement ... (I bet
> this surprises many people).
>

100% agree :D

> Rico
>
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Thanks in anyway,
        Franz Rogar