[Compcomm] My ideas (for the record)

Thu Jun 14 18:19:24 EDT 2007

i agree

there's no point in marketing an extra's package

and there is already the whole compiz community thing at compiz.org

(and it already has a theme :P)

On 6/15/07, Michael Roy <michael.roy1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Re-sent in an attempt to correct my formatting issues.  My apologies:
>
> Greetings, my handle is MikeMLP in the opencompositing.org forums.
>
> Just about all of the suggestions made here sound good to me.  If we
>  really are about to start voting round two, the community at
>  opencompositing.org needs to know exactly what it is voting for.  Since
>  the "Community division" is a part of  the Compiz umbrella, then
>  everything related to both "divisions" really should be hosted at
> compiz.org.  There should be one forum, and a "Community division"
>  subsection at forums.compiz.org.  The compiz.org homepage should be
>  updated and extended to reflect this, and explain this structure to all
>  visitors.  If this is the plan going forward (as I think it should be)
> then this
>  must be made painfully clear to the opencompositing.org members
>  before voting round two gets underway.
>
> As a "side effect" of this plan of integration at compiz.org, this means
> that
>  the new name would matter "less" than if it had its own web site, because
>  compiz.org would be the "place" for everyone to go.  In other words, the
>  power of the new name would, through this very organizational structure
>  be diminished, and Compiz would be the "main name" known by all.  I
>  know that that is probably a problem for some people who wish to
>  "compete" directly against the eye candy in Windows and Mac OSX, but
>  really, we have to walk before we can run.  Isn't Compiz still alpha
>  software?  Personally, I think Compiz is a fine name for marketing, and
> if
>  people want to theme their eye candy a certain way, then that could be
>  something the community division decides to turn into a
>  community-driven project in the future.
>
> As Jeff said on page 39 of the infamous name poll thread:
>
> - Compiz-Extra and Composite Community are not easy to brand and are
>  quite forgettable (on purpose). A good name should be memorable and
>  be easily identifiable. Think of Apache and the apache feather logo.
>  Apache would have been an excellent web server without the name and
>  logo, but with them it easily became the most popular. While we don't
>  generally think of an open source project as having competition, in one
>  sense we are competing for the Windows desktop mindshare, and we
>  need every advantage we can get if we ever want to see Linux succeed on
>  the desktop.
>
> For now, Compiz IS the brand, and should remain the brand. The name
>  works fine, the bling can be community-themed for the purposes of
>  polish.  If in the future, things need to be simplified when a "mass
>  audience" exists, then there will be a time for that sort of discussion
>  among all members of the community.  I really think the focus right now
>  should be to get everyone under one roof.  That will do much more to
>  prevent community fissures than a subset of the community attempting
>  to do a big marketing push prematurely.
>
> Jeff also said:
>
> -We wanted to move past the acrimony of the past and use a name that
>  didn't stir any anger or have historical "baggage".
>
> I think integration of the community as well as the code transcends any
>  remaining acrimony.  By design of the merge, everything is now Compiz.
>  So unless Compiz itself is renamed too, which I think is something that
>  most people are not ready for yet, everyone needs to accept that
>  everything, even the "community division" is still going to be Compiz,
>  regardless of if the "community division" has a flashy new name for
> itself.
>
> *Mike Dransfield <mike at blueroot.co.uk>* wrote:
>
> Firstly, I really have lost interest in what you guys do, I suspect that
> a lot of
> other people have too. This is just a post to make my opinion clear so
> that people
> know.
>
> I have never been against creating a merged community, but I seem to have
> been branded a non-cooperator because I came to these conclusions when
> everyone thought we were creating 'new software'.
>
> Promoting anything other than the compiz 'brand' will only lead to a SPLIT
> community not a joined happy one. There will always be people who will
> support compiz so there will always be duplication and waste. Its not
> just me
> and RYX, I feel the entire compiz community has been left out of these
> discussions. The closest we have is this thread.
>
> http://forum.compiz.org/viewtopic.php?t=745
>
> Here were my ideas for what to do with this mess. Unfortunatly, I have no
> say in it whatsoever, so its down to the 'community' to do it. For some
> reason
> I stopped being part of the community and I became 'compiz' at some point.
>
>
> - Drop the opencompositing.org forum, as many people have pointed out
> it is just a duplication of compiz.org. It should never have been
> rushed into
> in the first place.
>
> - Speak to David about pointing 'community' subdomains such as
> forum.compiz.org
> planet.compiz.org etc to the current spare server. Move
> forum.compiz.org over WITHOUT
> DATA LOSS. The domain ownership and www. subdomains should remain as
> they are
> for obvious reasons. Extend the menu on www.compiz.org to include these
> extra
> parts.
>
> - Create releases for the plugins (ie as tar.gz's), release to the
> fdo.org compiz
> releases directory (anyone with git access to fdo can do this). If you
> are worried
> about plugins 'tarnishing' the reputation of compiz (which is probably a
> valid
> concern), then label them properly, anything like compiz-plugins-* will
> do. If you
> try you could have 4-5 package names done and out within 24 hours, pick
> names which describe what they are so things are clear.
>
> - Anything which is not a plugin, package in another package. If there
> are lots
> of small apps which only work with compiz, then call it compiz-apps (or
> something
> like that)
>
> - Drop libbs/libccs/libcompizconfig and work on making a settings tool
> which
> does not rely on one plugin. Work with David to get your legitimate
> requirements
> added to the existing framework. Creating a settings manager which only
> works
> for < 30% of the compiz users is not very good. You might as well just
> access gconf
> directly since thats what > 70% of the users will be using anyway. You
> cannot
> complain how awful gconf is, but then use gnome, it does not make sense.
>
> - Promote compiz and these extra plugins. You guys are very good at
> that, its
> a shame that everyones hard work is treated with such disrespect and is
> thrown
> away all the time.
>
>
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