[Compcomm] My ideas (for the record)

Thu Jun 14 18:26:30 EDT 2007

There is when an extras package implements nearly 100% of the actual
user visible functionality, and another group could create an entirely
seperate extras package with separate functionality.

On 6/14/07, Stephen Moore <delfick755 at gmail.com> wrote:
> i agree
>
> there's no point in marketing an extra's package
>
> and there is already the whole compiz community thing at compiz.org
>
> (and it already has a theme :P)
>
>
>
> On 6/15/07, Michael Roy <michael.roy1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Re-sent in an attempt to correct my formatting issues.  My apologies:
> >
> >
> > Greetings, my handle is MikeMLP in the opencompositing.org forums.
> >
> > Just about all of the suggestions made here sound good to me.  If we
> >  really are about to start voting round two, the community at
> >   opencompositing.org needs to know exactly what it is voting for.  Since
> >  the "Community division" is a part of  the Compiz umbrella, then
> >  everything related to both "divisions" really should be hosted at
> compiz.org.  There should be one forum, and a "Community division"
> >  subsection at forums.compiz.org.  The compiz.org homepage should be
> >  updated and extended to reflect this, and explain this structure to all
> >  visitors.  If this is the plan going forward (as I think it should be)
> then this
> >  must be made painfully clear to the opencompositing.org members
> >  before voting round two gets underway.
> >
> > As a "side effect" of this plan of integration at compiz.org, this means
> that
> >  the new name would matter "less" than if it had its own web site, because
> >   compiz.org would be the "place" for everyone to go.  In other words, the
> >  power of the new name would, through this very organizational structure
> >  be diminished, and Compiz would be the "main name" known by all.  I
> >  know that that is probably a problem for some people who wish to
> >  "compete" directly against the eye candy in Windows and Mac OSX, but
> >  really, we have to walk before we can run.  Isn't Compiz still alpha
> >  software?  Personally, I think Compiz is a fine name for marketing, and
> if
> >  people want to theme their eye candy a certain way, then that could be
> >  something the community division decides to turn into a
> >  community-driven project in the future.
> >
> > As Jeff said on page 39 of the infamous name poll thread:
> >
> > - Compiz-Extra and Composite Community are not easy to brand and are
> >  quite forgettable (on purpose). A good name should be memorable and
> >  be easily identifiable. Think of Apache and the apache feather logo.
> >  Apache would have been an excellent web server without the name and
> >  logo, but with them it easily became the most popular. While we don't
> >  generally think of an open source project as having competition, in one
> >  sense we are competing for the Windows desktop mindshare, and we
> >  need every advantage we can get if we ever want to see Linux succeed on
> >  the desktop.
> >
> > For now, Compiz IS the brand, and should remain the brand. The name
> >  works fine, the bling can be community-themed for the purposes of
> >  polish.  If in the future, things need to be simplified when a "mass
> >  audience" exists, then there will be a time for that sort of discussion
> >  among all members of the community.  I really think the focus right now
> >  should be to get everyone under one roof.  That will do much more to
> >  prevent community fissures than a subset of the community attempting
> >  to do a big marketing push prematurely.
> >
> > Jeff also said:
> >
> > -We wanted to move past the acrimony of the past and use a name that
> >  didn't stir any anger or have historical "baggage".
> >
> > I think integration of the community as well as the code transcends any
> >  remaining acrimony.  By design of the merge, everything is now Compiz.
> >  So unless Compiz itself is renamed too, which I think is something that
> >  most people are not ready for yet, everyone needs to accept that
> >  everything, even the "community division" is still going to be Compiz,
> >  regardless of if the "community division" has a flashy new name for
> itself.
> >
> > Mike Dransfield < mike at blueroot.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Firstly, I really have lost interest in what you guys do, I suspect that
> > a lot of
> > other people have too. This is just a post to make my opinion clear so
> > that people
> > know.
> >
> > I have never been against creating a merged community, but I seem to have
> > been branded a non-cooperator because I came to these conclusions when
> > everyone thought we were creating 'new software'.
> >
> > Promoting anything other than the compiz 'brand' will only lead to a SPLIT
> > community not a joined happy one. There will always be people who will
> > support compiz so there will always be duplication and waste. Its not
> > just me
> > and RYX, I feel the entire compiz community has been left out of these
> > discussions. The closest we have is this thread.
> >
> > http://forum.compiz.org/viewtopic.php?t=745
> >
> > Here were my ideas for what to do with this mess. Unfortunatly, I have no
> > say in it whatsoever, so its down to the 'community' to do it. For some
> > reason
> > I stopped being part of the community and I became 'compiz' at some point.
> >
> >
> > - Drop the opencompositing.org forum, as many people have pointed out
> > it is just a duplication of compiz.org. It should never have been
> > rushed into
> > in the first place.
> >
> > - Speak to David about pointing 'community' subdomains such as
> > forum.compiz.org
> > planet.compiz.org etc to the current spare server. Move
> > forum.compiz.org over WITHOUT
> > DATA LOSS. The domain ownership and www. subdomains should remain as
> > they are
> > for obvious reasons. Extend the menu on www.compiz.org to include these
> > extra
> > parts.
> >
> > - Create releases for the plugins (ie as tar.gz's), release to the
> > fdo.org compiz
> > releases directory (anyone with git access to fdo can do this). If you
> > are worried
> > about plugins 'tarnishing' the reputation of compiz (which is probably a
> > valid
> > concern), then label them properly, anything like compiz-plugins-* will
> > do. If you
> > try you could have 4-5 package names done and out within 24 hours, pick
> > names which describe what they are so things are clear.
> >
> > - Anything which is not a plugin, package in another package. If there
> > are lots
> > of small apps which only work with compiz, then call it compiz-apps (or
> > something
> > like that)
> >
> > - Drop libbs/libccs/libcompizconfig and work on making a settings tool
> > which
> > does not rely on one plugin. Work with David to get your legitimate
> > requirements
> > added to the existing framework. Creating a settings manager which only
> > works
> > for < 30% of the compiz users is not very good. You might as well just
> > access gconf
> > directly since thats what > 70% of the users will be using anyway. You
> > cannot
> > complain how awful gconf is, but then use gnome, it does not make sense.
> >
> > - Promote compiz and these extra plugins. You guys are very good at
> > that, its
> > a shame that everyones hard work is treated with such disrespect and is
> > thrown
> > away all the time.
> >
> >
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