[Compcomm] Deciding a name

RYX ryx at ryxperience.com
Fri Jun 15 05:42:03 EDT 2007 

Am Freitag, den 15.06.2007, 17:03 +0800 schrieb Sam Spilsbury:
> Just a heads up. If we do infact end up using the name compiz (Which I
> recommend we do, like (insert name here) Compiz or Compiz (insert name
> here) ) we need to talk to David about trademark issues as he and
> Novell technically own the name 'Compiz'
I am not 100% sure but I think it is only David's name. Nobody at Novell
ever told him what to do with compiz or which direction he should work
in. It is his own freedom to develop compiz as he (and his contributors)
think(s) is best. From what I heard, David would be quite happy with a
name like "compiz fusion". And he would definetly prefer avoiding
another split of the community ... (yes, singular here :D). So there has
to be some way to realize that. Mike's proposal wasn't that unrealistic,
btw ...

> 
> Also we need to spread the poll around. Let is ring on every forum,
> digg, wiki EVERYWHERE!
Why? For what benefit should people vote for something they are not
involved/interested in? "Coral" was the direct result of that - just
because it is such a nice word and nobody cares anyway :).

> 
> The poll needs to be so that one vote can come from each IP adress so
> that people don't have to register to vote. That way, lots and lots of
> people will vote.
Sorry, but that's a bad idea. That way everyone with a dynamic IP or an
internet cafe around the corner will vote twenty times a week.

> 
> If anyone needs it, as soon as the poll goes up - I'll make up a press
> release now and stick it on digg, ubuntu wiki forums etc.
Thanks for that offer, but all those hurried "press-releases" and
"diggs" were the major reason that brought us into this situation. We
have to think and discuss things TO THE END - before ANYONE here starts
announcing things OUTSDIDE this list. Even if people say "I can agree
with that, BUT ..." - it is NO clear agreement ...

Rico

> 
> On 6/15/07, DarkMaster <darkmaster at email.it> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > I can live with Compiz Extra or whatever with compiz in the name,
> > personally, I don't dislike compiz because it was a Beryl antagonist
> > or something (Are you joking? Children should stay at home and avoid
> > participating to this discussion. Only a child would dislike compiz
> > "Just because of the old war....").
> > As I said in the Forum, I personally don't like the name Compiz at
> > all because it is refered to the fact that it is a compositor
> > manager. A working compositor manager already existed even under XP
> > to handle transparencyes. So I don't think it would be nice to focus
> > on the fact that it is a compositor manager, it is not that much a
> > revolution, it is only shameful that Linux didn't have a decent one
> > before compiz came (Except for xcompmgr). The fact that makes compiz
> > so special are the effects, all the things that make the desktop look
> > futuristic, much more usable and eyecandyed. Read cube, wobble (eye
> > candy side only), exposè etc.
> > That's one reason why I don't like compiz. The other one is that a
> > common user doesn't absolutely care about what a compositor manager
> > is and why it should nexist. They don't know about the transparency
> > issue. They only care about the fact that compiz or beryl or whatever
> > gives them a gorgeous desktop.
> > I really think that the name shouldn't be related to something
> > tecnical for those reasons. that's all. Look at OSX or Vista. Aqua
> > and Aero. Look at KDE4's desktop. Plasma. That's all. None of them
> > mentioned in the name the compositor function of they're compositor
> > manager. I'm not saying let's copy from the others but I'm saying
> > that this should give you a hint about what users whants.
> >
> > Luca D.M.
> >
> >
> > > I think this widely spread antipathy against the compiz-name is still
> > > related to the misinformation that compcomm will be a new application
> > > which replaces beryl and thus compiz will not be needed anymore.
> > > Everyone (especially the former beryl officials) should continue
> > > informing the users that "compcomm" is no application but an extension
> > > to compiz. I am not sure if everyone out there knows that.
> > >
> > > Rico
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On 6/11/07, Jeffrey Laramie <imnotpc at ubaight.com> wrote:
> > >>>> In theory this process could take up to 2 weeks, but we
> > >>         don't have a
> > >>>> deadline here and I think it's important that we get this
> > >>         right. Choosing
> > >>>> a name should be a unifying event, not a divisive one.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Jeff
> > >>>
> > >>> I agree with the idea of a nominating commitee, but I think
> > >>         it is the
> > >>> wrong priority to spend 3 days with finding good names and
> > >>         11 days with
> > >>> holding the poll(s). It is important to get this right - as
> > >>         you say. So
> > >>> we should put the priority on the creation of good name
> > >>         proposals, not
> > >>> on ongoing bureaucracy. The "dozens" of available name
> > >>         suggestions are
> > >>> more or less entirely inacceptable.
> > >>>
> > >>> We are not in a hurry so we can safely spend at least two
> > >>         weeks with
> > >>> finding good names (which is still ridiculously short
> > >>         compared to
> > >>> "real-life" projects). Once there is a minimum list of 5-10
> > >>         _acceptable_
> > >>> names we should start the poll - no deadline, no hurry.
> > >>
> > >>         I'm not against a longer time period to nominate names if the
> > >>         consensus is
> > >>         that we need more time, but I am against an open ended
> > >>         selection process. I
> > >>         think one lesson we learned from the logo contest we held,
> > >> was
> > >>         that when you
> > >>         have a long process eventually people start to lose interest,
> > >>         become
> > >>         impatient, or both. We saw people lose interest during the
> > >>         logo contest, and
> > >>         I think the recent name poll was rushed because people became
> > >>         impatient. We
> > >>         need to have pre-determined selection process and time frame
> > >>         to avoid these
> > >>         issues.
> > >>
> > >>         Another thing that should be considered is when our next
> > >>         release will be
> > >>         ready. I've heard bits and pieces on this, but I don't have a
> > >>         good answer. We
> > >>         need to be sure that we have a name selected before then
> > >> so we
> > >>         don't hold up
> > >>         the release. Maybe some of the other devs can enlighten me on
> > >>         the release
> > >>         timeframe.
> > >>
> > >>         Jeff
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