[Compcomm] My ideas (for the record)

[RYX]

Am Freitag, den 15.06.2007, 22:06 +0800 schrieb Sam Spilsbury:
> Not to be an insult or anything, just a fact tidbit,
> 
> When did you start working on projects that the Beryl-Based project
> duplicate effort from?
I don't know how that relates to Mike's ideas, but the biggest problem
is obviously that there are two (three) forums (the forums are the
"project" in this case). There was no need to create compcomm-forums -
everyone could have come to the compiz forums and we could have
proceeded from there. But since a few people basically don't agree with
whatever I say, we now have several forums ... Don't you think that this
is a very useless duplication? 

And what is wrong if I say that everyone brings in his stuff from beryl
and automatically thinks that his solution has to be part of the new
project - no matter if plans were totally different or his solution
already proved to be suboptimal? It is like that. Why don't people ask
or want to discuss anything on compiz.org before they simply assume
their stuff is now official part of that "new project"?

It often doesn't look like the beryl people want to "work together" - it
rather appears as if they want to work on their own, have their own
community, use their own programs and "only" need compiz as their core.
The community around compiz isn't important for them. (fyi: in biology
such thing would be called a "parasite")

> 
> On 6/15/07, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com> wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, den 14.06.2007, 19:28 -0400 schrieb Robert Carr:
> > > On 6/14/07, Mike Dransfield <mike at blueroot.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > Robert Carr wrote:
> > > > > There is when an extras package implements nearly 100% of the actual
> > > > > user visible functionality, and another group could create an entirely
> > > > > seperate extras package with separate functionality.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Are you seriously trying to say that if you disable the following
> > > > plugins you will have somewhere near 50% of your original
> > > > functionality left?
> > > >
> > > > By most people's standards, the computer would be non functional
> > > > without these.
> > > >
> > > > png, svg, regex, place, decoration, move, resize, wobbly, cube,
> > > > rotate, water, blur, scale, switcher
> > > >
> > > As we've discussed many times these are moving to part of what you
> > > call the 'extras' project as opposed to Compiz-fdo and my comment was
> > > based on that assumption.
> > As I've expressed about a hundred times - the so called "extras project"
> > was a DRAFT describing the future plans of the compiz-community. Some
> > people entirely misinterpreted that draft as the "de-facto roadmap" for
> > the next ten weeks (maybe intentionally?) and happily shouted that out
> > to the world. The (obviously stupid) idea of moving core-development to
> > "compiz-fdo" was entirely yours. The "core-development" is done on the
> > ML and "coredev-newbies" can also find help on the forums. We spend
> > months to build up a well-accepted forum-structure and -organization
> > which is aimed towards helping newbies as well as more advanced users.
> > No matter if he only wants to "use" or he also wants to "develop" ...
> >
> > Everything we wanted was to get all the "lost" people back to the
> > compiz-community. And why should "the community formerly known as
> > compiz-quinnstorm" not become united with the compiz-commmunity? At
> > compiz.org, which is ready and waiting for everyone. (Oh, sure - we
> > don't have that incredible phpbb3 ... well, I can assure you we'll use
> > it once it is working and I don't lose my posts because of bugs every
> > two hours).
> >
> > So, we virtually had/have everything we need - but instead of supporting
> > our plans (as you originally said), you guys brought in everything you
> > thought is best and tried to duplicate effort wherever possible. With
> > the result that we now have two versions of almost everything - even two
> > forums.
> >
> > I understand and fully support Mike's position and in the end I see it
> > exactly the way he does.
> >
> > Instead of continuously misinforming people about new ideas and plans,
> > we should finally get back to our starting point: We wanted to have ONE
> > COMMUNITY for people interested in compiz and its plugins and
> > configuration. And we want our beloved WM to work on many system
> > configs. Nobody wanted another split or even more separation. Write that
> > behind your ears!! (german saying for "keep that in mind" :D ...).
> >
> > Rico
> >
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