[Compcomm] My ideas (for the record)

[Mike Dransfield]

Alyssa Hung wrote:
> Stephen Moore wrote:
>   
>> I say hell yes to subdomains to compiz.org <http://compiz.org>, that is 
>> a fantastic idea ! :D
>>
>> as for  alyssa's idea about making this stuff unrelated to compiz, well 
>> i doubt it'd be anytime soon before something other than compiz is 
>> created that's just gonna work with these plugins.
>>     
>
> Other compositing managers were only a small part of what I was saying. 
> What about Compiz plugins, Compiz settings managers, Compiz window 
> decorators, and other bits that aren't good enough or otherwise don't 
> deserve to be in the official Compiz distribution(s)? Compiz-Core 
> developers have expressed frequent concerns about the quality of the 
> design that comes before the code--something that they contend most 
> plugins/decorators/extensions lack. It seems like a very exclusive and 
> closed environment to me. I prefer something more inclusive and open.
>   

Everything we (including David) have been doing ever since
the fork is listen to try to work out what you were not happy
with and fix it.


You said David was not open to the community.  He worked hard
to fix that.  Even now he says how he must spend more time
helping plugin developers.  This was not good enough.

You said, David will not accept our changes.  He worked hard
with you to make those patches acceptable to EVERYBODY.
That was not good enough.

You wanted to have a git repo, so David took time out to fix that.
This was not good enough.

You said Compiz has no settings manager.  We worked VERY
hard to make this possible, many different settings managers
exist for Compiz.  This was not good enough.

You wanted total freedom over the plugins.  David handed them
on a plate and said 'go for it'.  That was not good enough.

You said 'compiz relies on gconf - we hate gconf', I wrote the ini
plugin.  That was not good enough.

You wanted access to the core so you didn't have to send
patches over the mailing list.  David handed out FDO accounts
like sweets.  That was not good enough.

You want to be able to create your own sub projects and set
your own goals.  We (finally) managed to come to some agreement
on that, the details are not totally worked out, but I don't think
there is anything that is unobtainable.  This is STILL not good
enough.

I think we have tried and tried to accommodate your wishes
without stomping on others, what more do we have to do?

It seems like some people just do not want a reunited
community, which is sad because it seems to be the same
people who said they wanted it and made a big fuss in the
first place.


> libbs/libccs/libcompizconfig has been criticised more times than anyone 
> can be bothered to count. Many Beryl plugins have been said to be 
> impulsive, poorly thought-out, and unmaitainable.
>
> And in RYX's own words, "And what is wrong if I say that everyone brings 
> in his stuff from beryl and automatically thinks that his solution has 
> to be part of the new project - no matter if plans were totally 
> different or his solution already proved to be suboptimal?" What does an 
> official Compiz community offer to people who aren't interested in being 
> official? What does an official Compiz community offer to people who 
> simply want to play around and experiment?
>
>   
>> and anyway, just because it's gonna become transparent, doesn't mean we 
>> have to forget it now ! :D
>>     
>
> I thought we wanted a lasting solution that wouldn't have to be 
> abandoned in the future when things change enough?
>
>
> ~Alyssa
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