[Compcomm] My ideas (for the record)

[Jeffrey Laramie]

> >> I have never called anything the 'extras project' - it does not
> >> make sense.
> >>
> >> There was a package called compiz-extra (which I did not make)
> >> and there was discussion about how we could package plugins
> >> which complimented compiz.  Some people mistook the name
> >> of a simple tarball with a project, then went off and started
> >> creating these communities without actually thinking them
> >> through.
> >
> > Mike, there is nothing factual in this statement whatsoever. The decision
> > to create 2 divisions was discussed at length on CompizAdmin, strongly
> > supported by David, and agreed to. I drafted a description that reflected
> > the intent of the committee. Please stop trying to revise history to
> > support your POV.
>
> The discussions were so that we could draw some lines
> over the Compiz code so that certain people would know
> where their boundaries are.
>
> Remember at the time, the beryl fork was still going and
> he was not happy that people were forking his software
> without good reason.

Agreed

>
> David has always made it clear that he wants total control of
> the core but anyone is free to work on any plugin they like.
> We wanted to express this by separating some of his plugins
> out into a different package so people would feel that he was
> more open.

I think "total control of the core" is a big strong. I would say it's more 
like "final say over changes to the core", but this is essentially correct.

>
> The core/extras split was just so he could take control of the
> core.  The core division is just him, with a few part-timers
> helping out.  There is no need for a core 'community' so anything
> we make is automatically part of the extras division.
>
> His objectives as compiz-core can now be slightly different
> from ours as compiz extra, so we both are able to have more
> freedom.

Exactly. We could include code that went beyond the scope of Compiz as we knew 
it and that was not part of David's vision for the core.

>
> I thought you realised 'compiz core division' was basically him
> and 'compiz extra division' is all of us.  He doesn't want a forum
> or blog so theres not much point having a compiz-core forum.

This is correct. At the time the core was basically David with you and a 
couple others contributing a few things. Now with the former Beryl devs 
contributing it is much more actively developed, but the intent is the same. 
The core devs don't need a forum or any of the other user oriented features. 
This is why in the definition of the divisions I suggested that the 
Compiz-Core division would have the Compiz ML and a wiki to provide a place 
for documentation and other info about the project, and that the forum and 
everything else (what we think of as the community) would become 
Compiz-Extra.

This last post reflects the same things I've been saying for months, and I 
believe this view is shared by a majority of the former Beryl team. I have to 
say Mike, it's been a long time since we've agreed on this many things. :-)

Jeff