[Compcomm] CompComm has a real name!

[RYX]

Am Mittwoch, den 20.06.2007, 18:51 -0400 schrieb nesl247:
> No where did I say the ml shouldn't be used for major decisions. But a
> decision to have an artwork contest.. That's retarded.
It's not about the artwork contest as such (btw: for what exactly will
that new logo be used? As a "placeholder" for the upcoming OCO logo?).
There were several things decided/done without asking anyone. Can't we
just try to be _slightly_ more patient and maybe try to organize and
decide things _together_ ??? That'd be awesome.

"Together" in this case would mean that things are not _announced_ to
this list, but maybe presented _before_ they are set in stone.

> And a good chunk of the devs use irc: racarr, kristianly, onestone,
> roico, marex, etc etc.
A.k.a the former beryl-devs? :D ... It's like a two party system where
one party decides to now make decisions on their party-meetings and then
"announce" those things to the whole country (without taking the "ugly"
democratic round-trip through a debate in the senate).

> And don't you even dare repeat that "you know - there are people who
> actually have a real life and don't have time to monitor an
> irc-channel all day." crap. If you have time to read the ML, you have
> time to be on IRC.
I actually _take_ my time to write/read mails to/from this list. I have
no time to hang around on irc for chatting. Especially not if it is a
channel called opencompositing-dev ... what has that channel to do with
what we do here? I don't think that anything said on that channel should
be of interest for this list and the progress here (I think it is rather
counterproductive).

> On 6/20/07, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com> wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, den 20.06.2007, 18:29 -0400 schrieb nesl247:
> > > RYX, the majority of people go on irc to talk, maybe you should join
> > > us, instead of asking the majority to join you.
> > Who is that majority? Guillaume, Sam and you?
> >
> > > And IRC isn't private. Just because your to lazy to get your ass in
> > > #opencompositing-dev, doesn't mean we're not including you. You're not
> > > including yourself.
> > Not directly - you are (intentionally?) excluding all people who maybe
> > could have opposing opinions.
> >
> > I think the whole forking-mess taught us that important decisions should
> > not be done on irc because they are not easy to follow (and in most
> > cases they are lost soon). You know - there are people who actually have
> > a real life and don't have time to monitor an irc-channel all day.
> >
> > This list was created for discussing important things. Only because we
> > now have "decided" on a name this list is not obsolete. Decisions made
> > outside this list are not official for the project(s?).
> >
> > I consider your actions as pure "censoring".
> >
> > >
> > > On 6/20/07, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com> wrote:
> > > > Am Mittwoch, den 20.06.2007, 17:50 -0400 schrieb nesl247:
> > > > > RYX, maybe you just need to get on irc, where decisions are mostly made..
> > > > Or maybe you should get used to bringing up important decisions on this
> > > > mailing list instead of discussing them in private? I doubt it is the
> > > > way to an open and peaceful project-management if you simply decide
> > > > things where you can be sure to only have "yes-sayers" around ...
> > > >
> > > > How about first agreeing on details and then continue with making things
> > > > official?
> > > >
> > > > Some people are _very_ close to ruining everything we agreed on. I can't
> > > > believe nobody learned from all that happened ...
> > > >
> > > > .... this is truly disappointing.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/20/07, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Am Mittwoch, den 20.06.2007, 23:15 +0200 schrieb Patrick Niklaus:
> > > > > > > Finally....
> > > > > > > For those who are interested: We announced an artwork contest for the
> > > > > > > new Compiz Fusion logo. Every artist is welcome. :-)
> > > > > > May I ask who is "we" in that case? Are we back at the idea of two
> > > > > > projects? I am not against having an artwork contest, but couldn't it be
> > > > > > that some things are decided too fast (and maybe on a too individual
> > > > > > basis)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2007/6/20, Jeffrey Laramie <imnotpc at rock3d.org>:
> > > > > > > > Our previous attempts to select a project name have not gone well.. We tried a
> > > > > > > > poll but the names in the poll were not pre-qualified to determine if they
> > > > > > > > were usable and the "winning" name was also a strongly disliked name.
> > > > > > > > Kristian and I each proposed a plan to select a name, but that effort got
> > > > > > > > sidetracked by a massive flame war on the mailing list.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > While our community has some democratic features, ultimately it is a
> > > > > > > > meritocracy and the people who contribute the most value have the most say.
> > > > > > > > So in the end a decision was made by the majority of the people who have
> > > > > > > > contributed the most.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That doesn't mean that all the discussion was wasted. In fact the chosen name
> > > > > > > > wasn't proposed by any of the leaders, but was proposed in one of the naming
> > > > > > > > threads (michael.krog's post was the first place I saw it). It was
> > > > > > > > immediately popular and received very few negative comments..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm pleased to announce that the chosen name of our project and community is:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Compiz Fusion
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For the record, the following developers and admins either participated in and
> > > > > > > > supported the selection process (not all voted yes), or have stated their
> > > > > > > > support for the name:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > David Reveman, Erkin Bahceci (cornelius), Guillaume Seguin (iXce), Dennis
> > > > > > > > Kasprzyk (onestone), Jigish Gohil (cyberorg), Danny Baumann (maniac), Patrick
> > > > > > > > Niklaus (marex), Roi Cohen (roico), Alex Heck (nesl247), Robert Carr
> > > > > > > > (racarr), Kristian Lyngstøl (kristianLy), Rico Pfaus (RYX) (conditional),
> > > > > > > > Quinn Storm (QuinnStorm) and Jeffrey Laramie (imnotpc).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jeff
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